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SSJ2 Gogeta (M12) vs Buuhan
Topic Started: Jan 9 2013, 06:18 PM (2,211 Views)
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I have Gogeta M12 = Canon Gogeta.
Buuhan stomps even SSJ3 Gogeta.
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I am actually starting to think an SSJ3 Gogeta could beat Buuhan... but it would be Like a Gotenks vs Super Buu type Fight.
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jonte9195
Jan 10 2013, 08:46 PM
I am actually starting to think an SSJ3 Gogeta could beat Buuhan... but it would be Like a Gotenks vs Super Buu type Fight.
If on the off-chance that SSjin 3 Gogeta was actually stronger than Gohan-Boo Ki-wise, the fact stands that Potara was stated to be the only way to defeat him, and Gohan-Boo stated a fusion of Goku and Vegeta wouldn't win, which was a somewhat drastic change from his POV earlier as Gotenks-Boo where he was hesitant about allowing that type of fusion to occur.
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Jan 10 2013, 09:06 PM
jonte9195
Jan 10 2013, 08:46 PM
I am actually starting to think an SSJ3 Gogeta could beat Buuhan... but it would be Like a Gotenks vs Super Buu type Fight.
If on the off-chance that SSjin 3 Gogeta was actually stronger than Gohan-Boo Ki-wise, the fact stands that Potara was stated to be the only way to defeat him, and Gohan-Boo stated a fusion of Goku and Vegeta wouldn't win, which was a somewhat drastic change from his POV earlier as Gotenks-Boo where he was hesitant about allowing that type of fusion to occur.
Yeah I meant power wise with that said I dont think Gotenks would of had the power to put down super buu, and I guess you are right Potara was stated to be the only way of defeating buu thats why I still have SSJ Vegetto over SSJ3 Gogeta but I have SSJ3 Gogeta>=Base Vegetto
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Goku and Vegeta fusion= a monster, if doesn't matter if Goten and Trunks are close in power to Goku and Vegeta, AT and Toei created Vegito and Gogeta and Gogeta is haxed or what ever you want to call it to the point that Vegito is the only one that could stop him.

Fat Janemba is either stronger than Inital Super Buu or Fat Buu depending on where Goku's comment on him takes place and Goku destroys him.

Base Gotenks(post) is stronger than SSJ3 Goku which means he is stronger a SSJ3 Trunks or Goten which means Base Gogeta has to be stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

Base Gogeta may not have been enough to beat Super Janemba which is why Gogeta goes to MSSJ. If SSJ3 Goku is at the least 2x a SSJ3 Goten and Trunks then MSSJ Gotenks pre is 2.1 to 2.5x Goten and Trunks at SSJ3 and base Gotenks(post) is 2.5 to 3x Goten and Trunks so let's assume Gogeta

is 2.5 to 3x SSJ3 Goku.

Gotenks=10

Gogeta= 30

MSSJ Gotenks= 500

MSSJ Gogeta= 1500

SSJ2 Gotenks: 1000

SSJ2 Gogeta: 3000

SSJ3 Gotenks: 4000

SSJ3 Gogeta: 12,000

Ultimate Gohan: 5,000

Super Buu: 3,950

Buutenks: 7,950

Buuhan: 8,953

Vegito: 4500

Super Vegito: 225,000

I myself use to think Vegito was only 1 level ahead Gogeta but assuming his base is in between Gotenks and Gohan and using SEG multipliers with Gogeta only 3x Gotenks Gogeta would be able to stomp Buuhan at SSJ3.

As far as SEG goes a SSJ2 Gogeta would not win yet. I'm going to stop using the SEG multipliers and start using my own numbers soon but as of right now Based on these numbers Gogeta would have stopped Buu.
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Then Goku and Gohan-Boo were lying, which means AT pulled a poopy on us for no reason.
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Jan 11 2013, 03:16 AM
Then Goku and Gohan-Boo were lying, which means AT pulled a poopy on us for no reason.
1. Gogeta was never sat to appear in the Manga.

2. Goku is taking the sure thing route with the Potara and trying to sell it over the Dance.

3. Buuhan was over confident, he also says Vegito can't beat him.

In other words Buuhan is lying because he is over confident and Goku is just more sure of the Potara and it's better power that he doesn't even think of the Dance.

If AT wanted Gogeta to appear and do what Vegito did he would have regardless of the difference between the adults and the boys.

Gogeta as a SSJ3 only has 5 mins, he can beat Buu but now in 5 mins versus Vegito who as a MSSJ began dominating Buu. The fact that Vegito starts as a MSSJ that tells me Vegito thought he was close enough to Buu that he could at least feel Buu out as a MSSJ but when he starts winning he relies just how much power he has.

I think Vegito going MSSJ actually increases Gogeta's power because Goku/Vegeta's fusion figures MSSJ can get them in a feel out/warm up range with Buu.

I have no dobut in my mind that SSJ3 Gogeta could beat Buuhan powerwise.
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1. Gogeta was never sat to appear in the Manga

I wonder why.
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2. Goku is taking the sure thing route with the Potara and trying to sell it over the Dance.

It definitely looked that way, especially when he later was fine using normal Fusion against Super Boo.
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3. Buuhan was over confident, he also says Vegito can't beat him.

Vegetto contradicted him. Did Gogeta?
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In other words Buuhan is lying because he is over confident and Goku is just more sure of the Potara and it's better power that he doesn't even think of the Dance.

So, when he says Potara is the only way, he's not thinking of the dance? That in itself is flawed because you always compare options before declaring one option the only way.
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If AT wanted Gogeta to appear and do what Vegito did he would have regardless of the difference between the adults and the boys.

Oh, and I wonder why he didn't have Gogeta appear! He easily could've, like you said. :p
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Gogeta as a SSJ3 only has 5 mins, he can beat Buu but now in 5 mins versus Vegito who as a MSSJ began dominating Buu. The fact that Vegito starts as a MSSJ that tells me Vegito thought he was close enough to Buu that he could at least feel Buu out as a MSSJ but when he starts winning he relies just how much power he has.

The amount of time is meaningless when you have enough power, unless it's something like one minute left. SSjin 3 Gotenks was just fine finishing Super Boo off with very little time.
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I think Vegito going MSSJ actually increases Gogeta's power because Goku/Vegeta's fusion figures MSSJ can get them in a feel out/warm up range with Buu.

Vegetto has nothing to do with Gogeta's power.
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I have no dobut in my mind that SSJ3 Gogeta could beat Buuhan powerwise.

But apparently he couldn't beat Gohan-Boo regardless.
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Kamikaze Pyro your logic is slightly flawed no disrespect here. Your suggesting Gogeta didn't appear in the manga due to power but he didn't appear due to AT wanting to out do what Toei had done.

AT does set up Vegito as the only way to beat Buuhan but this is only because he knows Gogeta is never going to appear not due to Gogeta's power being enough to beat Buu but because AT had already decided that he wanted something he called cooler.

This is another quote that helps out Gogeta, AT wanted something cooler and better than the dance, Vegito's superiority over Buu only comes on later as they begin fighting. Vegito thinks he needs MSSJ to get in feeling out range with Buu but then finds out he is stronger than he thought.

Vegito at this point is comparing himself to Gogeta as that is the fusion that Goku knew about therefore MSSJ Gogeta should be strong enough to feel Buuhan out not beat him but just survive against him.

Gogeta beating Buu really comes down to SSJ multipliers and the gap Goku and Vegeta have on Goten at that point.
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I'd guess Gogeta could win that one.
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